Dave Page was born in Dublin on April 17, 1906. While in his early twenties his father enrolled him in Leo Rowsome's piping school and purchased for him a set of Rowsome pipes. Although undoubtedly pleased with his son's piping advancements, Dave's father was apparently not at all pleased with the pipes themselves, a new full set pitched at or slightly above 'D'. Being accustomed to the sound of the older flat sets, his father contemptuously referred to these new pipes as a 'tin whistle'.
Classes were held once a week. Leo started his students with marches, later adding jigs, then set dances, hornpipes, and reels. Dave remembers that Leo put extra emphasis on the set dances, especially the 'Blackbird'. Dave recalls that Leo frequently turned down the students requests for new reels and bid them to practice the 'Blackbird', over and over. Leo's brother, Tom, occasionally filled in for Leo and was a great favorite because he was more easily persuaded to teach the students the reels and jigs they wanted (and were probably not ready for). Clearly an addicted young piper, Dave remembers practicing his chanter playing on pencils as he rode the bus to and from work.
Dave's progress as a piper must have been very fast. Within two years he was winning piping competitions and within 3 years he was playing with Rowsome in his piping quartet. Dave has always considered himself a strong air player, much of which he learned from his mother's singing around the house. One of the first competitions he won was for his air playing. He played 'Eamonn a' Chnuich (Ned of the Hill)' with full regulator accompaniment. Dave remembers the adjudicator telling him after the competition that he had to award him the prize, for he was clearly the best player, but that he played the pipes too much like an organ. With fifty years of hindsight Dave now feels that the objection was correct.
During this period Dave played for a short time in one of Rowsome's piping quartets. At the time the members of the quartet were Leo, Dave, Tom Rowsome, and Eddie Potts (Sean Potts' son). The band played a wide selection of music consisting of marches, airs, set dances, jig, reels and hornpipes. Leo provided much of the fancy regulator work and chanter harmonies while the other three players played the melody. At one point during each show Leo would leave the stage to prepare for his solo. While the three remaining players played a selection, Leo changed the reeds in his pipes replacing the stiffer, less damageable reeds that he used for group playing with thinner, more sensitive reeds that he preferred for his solo playing.
When Leo Rowsome left the Siamsa Gael Celidhe Band, Dave took his place. The band was 7-10 pieces with Dave on pipes, Tom Page (Dave's brother) on fiddle (and leader), Mrs. Sheridan on fiddle (Dave always calls her the queen of the Irish fiddlers), Mrs. Whelan on fiddle, Leo Malloy on piano, Billy Tighe on drums, Tommy Breen on piccolo, and other occasional fiddlers. The Siamsa Gael band was one of the two most popular ceilidhe bands in Dublin and they played at dances and concerts throughout Ireland. A typical band performance was both a concert and a dance. The evening started as a concert. The band played and the audience sat on the floor. Sometime during the concert Dave would perform a piping solo. He usually left the stage and took a seat among the audience so that the pipes could be better heard. One of the tunes he remembers playing often for this solo was Hartigan's Fancy (or Coppers and Brass). When the concert was finished the floor would be cleared and a long evening of dancing would begin, often lasting until morning. Dave has fond memories of the band playing the medley of 'Paddy on the Railroad/Peter Street/Devil's Dream/Mason's Apron'. Being aware that the last three tunes are in the key of 'A' and ill suited for the pipes I finally asked Dave why he remembered these tunes so fondly. His reply was that indeed there was no way he could play these tunes on the pipes, therefore it afforded him the opportunity to get off the stage and dance with a clear conscience. In fact, it was not uncommon for Dave to get in trouble for being on the dance floor when he was expected on the stage. His brother, Tom, fired him from the band at least once for this reason. The band provided Dave with his first experience with keyboard playing. During a dance, the piano player had helped himself to too much 'poteen' and was out of action. Responding to the crisis Mrs. Sheridan taught Dave a few chords on the piano and the fundamentals of 'vamping'. Dave became the piano player for the rest of the evening.
The Siamsa Gael Band made two 78 recordings with Dave. One was made in London on the Parlophone label, the other in Dublin on the Columbia label. Dave remembers playing 'The Burning Sands' (or 'The Road to the Isles ') and reel and jig medleys (possibly 'The Copperplate'/'The Salamanca' and 'Jacksons Morning Brush'/'Tobins'). At the first recording session the producer, upon finding that Dave played bagpipes, asked him sit at the other end of the room away from the band and the microphone. As the producer discovered that the Irish pipes were not quite as loud as the Scottish pipes Dave was slowly moved forward until he was sitting in front of the microphone with the rest of the band behind him. Much to Dave's regret he never kept copies of these 78's and has been unable locate any. (Please, if anyone should run across these recording please let him or myself know.)
In the late 1930s Dave gave up the pipes and took up the piano accordion. The pipes, at that time, were considered to be "old fashioned". During this time Dave and his wife, Bridgie, left Ireland and moved to London where they lived for 20 years. While in London Dave became quite proficient on the accordion.
While on vacation in the 1950s the Pages met a Polish couple from Chicago who convinced them that they would enjoy living in America. Shortly thereafter they lifted their roots and jobs and moved to Chicago. There they spent a year amongst the Polish-Americans before they discovered that a large Irish population lived in the city. In the late 50s Dave got back on the pipes. A man in Chicago had purchased a new set of Kennedy pipes for his daughter. His daughter decided she could not handle the pipes, and Dave was offered the pipes. Excited at the prospect of getting back to the pipes Dave made himself a case for his pipes (at the time he was doing leather work at a company that made brief cases, etc.) before he ever got the set. The excitement soon turned to disappointment when it appeared that 20 years off the pipes had taken its toll. He could do very little with the pipes. Fortunately it was more of a problem with the pipes than the piper. Chicago pipemaker Patrick Hennelly was able to overhaul the pipes and get them in working order. Hennelly's repair work was not always conventional. He originally set the pipes so that the drones sounded the notes D, A, and D. This sounded great in the key of D, but was not so great in G. At Dave's insistence, Hennelly set all the drones back to D. Dave did get back on the pipes although he never felt he really got his fingering back. He always blames that on the piano accordion. Dave was active in the Chicago Irish music community playing both pipes and accordion. Some of the musicians he played with were Tom McMahon (accordion, fiddle, and pipes under Dave's tutelage), Burt McMahon (banjo), and Joe Shannon (pipes).
In 1974 Dave and Bridgie vacationed in San Diego and decided they liked it enough to move there. Dave believed at that time he that he would be 'retiring' from the music. This retirement lasted several months until Dave went out, found some young people playing traditional American music in the streets, introduced himself, and was consequently introduced to others interested in the music. Actually it was a rather spectacular introduction. A pot luck dinner and dance was being held at the house I was living in for the musicians and dancers who had been participating in the weekly New England style dances held throughout the year. The players whom Dave had met in the streets, Pam Ostergren and Dave Brown, brought Dave and Bridgie along as their contribution to the party. That night we discovered that we knew many of the same tunes (that is Dave knew most of our tunes). Dave sat in with the band and a memorable evening was had by all.
From that time on, Dave has been an integral part of San Diego's traditional music culture and the cornerstone of the Irish music scene. People were showing up at his house in groups from 2 to 10 play and learn. Visits always consisted of new tunes (if we wanted to learn new music), old tunes (if we wanted to play), plenty of beer, and always, "a nice cup of tea" in the kitchen with Dave and Bridgie. I have some wonderful, wonderful, memories of those evenings. Demand for Dave's playing picked up and Dave played solo (which he didn't like doing) and whenever possible joined by his young friends as the resurrected Siamsa Gael Celidhe Band (consisting of Dave, Bruce Culbertson, and myself, and later Dave, lan Law, Judy Lipnick, and myself). Performances ranged from local Irish socials to folk festivals to Dave's appearance at the 1975 Smithsonian Folk Life festival in Washington D.C. In 1978, Dave decided that he was not playing his pipes as much as he should and rather than letting them sit he offered me the set and volunteered to teach me (proof that occasionally dreams come true). Although now officially "retired" from the music Dave still takes an active part in the music, occasionally joining us on his accordion, teaching us new tunes, offering us advice, and always improving the quality and the spirit of the music.
In general, Dave's piping is modeled after Leo Rowsome's, distinguished by open chanter playing and constant rhythmic regulator accompaniment. Visually, there is no doubt that you are watching a seasoned player when watching Dave play. He always manages to get the maximum music for the minimum amount of effort. His fingers always stay close to the chanter, although not as close as he would like them to be. He says that you should not be able to see the fingers lift off the chanter of a good chanter player. His bellows action is smooth and relaxed, and he manages to move his wrists around to reach all the regulators with ease. The chanter stays mostly on his knee although he does move it around to get to certain regulators. He has always used a popping valve on his chanter.
His basic regulator playing method is to sound the regulators on the offbeat in reels and hornpipes, and play them on the onbeat in jigs for the length of one quaver. This pattern will be embellished by holding down the regulators for a half or full measure (done most frequently at the beginning of a new part, the ending of a part or to emphasize a particularly strong chord change) or catching the onbeat as well as the offbeat on reels and hornpipes. Dave tends to play two (bass and baritone) or all three regulators using primarily the middle two rows occasionally dropping down to the bottom row.
Dave's chanter playing is very open in the bottom octave (with the exception of tight AC#A and BDB patterns) with a mix of open and closed playing in the upper octave. In the upper octave he will use tight fingering to separate repeated notes of the same value and execute triplet figures (F#GF#, EF#E). Dave places great importance in melody. His years of playing has taught him what notes belong in a tune and, perhaps more importantly, what notes and embellishments do not. Because of this Dave uses embellishments that enhance the melody and stays away from embellishments that obscure or simplify the melody. He uses graces (and to a lesser extent pats) extensively, particularly to accent the downbeat. He uses short rolls sparingly and long rolls hardly at all. An example of this nay be seen in his playing of Donnybrook Fair. In measure 1, where many players would use a long G roll and possibly a long A roll, Dave plays the melody preceding the GF#G figure and the AGA figures with grace notes. This type of embellishment creates a strong rhythmic lilt without removing any melodic detail from the tune. Another notable aspect of Dave's playing is his use of melodic embellishments. Instead of varying a tune with different graces and rolls Dave will often restructure a phrase melodically. Examples of these kind of variations may be found in the second 'A' part and second 'B' part of Donnybrook Fair.
Much else of his playing style applies to his accordion and whistle playing as well as his piping. His years of playing for dancers in Dublin, London, and Chicago has created a style with a relaxed tempo, a strong lilt, and faultless rhythm. Dave feels that he is a stronger air and jig player than a reel player. His repertoire is very large comprising many reels, many airs, most all of the common jigs, polkas, hornpipes, set dances, and popular waltzes. Dave never used the term polka to describe tunes such as the 'Rose Tree' or 'Maggie in the Woods'. He refers to them as simple reels, the ones the player would use for the dancing. Dave is a natural musician. He is one of those people you can hand a new instrument to and in a few minutes he will be playing a tune. He reads music, and on accordion can play a tune in any key. He is also quite skillful in backing up singers on his accordion. One other feature of his accordion playing which deserves mention is his beautiful air playing. This playing has to be heard to be appreciated.
Finally, mention should be made of Dave's attitude towards Irish music. Dave has no pretensions that Irish music should only be played by the Irish, or that it should even be played in an Irish style. At sessions, he always goes out of way to make sure that all players present get a chance to play. He rarely offers criticism or advice to a player. When criticism is extracted from Dave (this requires force) it can be extremely detailed. This is especially true of his teaching of airs. I remember trying to play back one of his airs one time and not getting more than three notes into the tune before being stopped and corrected on numerous points. It probably took forty-five minutes to work through eight measures of the music. Needless to say, the advice given was invaluable.
Notes on the transcribed tune, 'Donnybrook Fair'
'Donnybrook Fair' was one of the first tunes I heard Dave play. Since then, I have played it with him countless times. As with all of Dave's music, there is no flashy playing here, just well thought out solid playing designed to bring out the tune's unique beauty and identity. Careful attention should be paid to the grace notes; they provide much of the lift which is so strong in Dave's playing. A common feature of Dave's jig playing is the slight lengthening of the first eighth note of the three eighth note jig pattern. Where it is noted as such in the music it should be even more marked. This combined with a preceding grace note creates a very nice lilt. Note that on the B E'E' patterns (i.e measure 2) the two E' notes are played staccato. Also, note the nice melodic variation in Dave's second playing of the 'A' part and 'B' part. Dave plays this at a relaxed medium tempo with regulator accompaniment provided in a manner described above.
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This article first appeared in "The Pipers' Review" around the end of 1982
It was June 1974. We were having our end-of-the-school-year potluck and contra dance. One of our friends brought along some uninvited guests: an elderly Irish gentleman, his wife, and two of their friends. The Irishman, a musician, had brought his instrument in a long, narrow, grey case. He sat on our front porch, set that strange looking case next to him, opened it and slowly assembled what appeared to be a most complex intrument, and then treated us all to some of the finest Irish music that we'd ever hope to hear. The gentleman was Dave Page. The instrument was the uillean pipes.
Dave Page was born in Dublin, Ireland in 1906. While in his early twenties, his father enrolled him in a piping school taught by the great piper Leo Rowsome. Dave proved to be a talented musician and was soon winning competitions and performing in a quartet with his teacher. During the early 1930s he was a member of the Siamsa Gael Celidhe Band. This was a 7-10 piece band consisting of fiddles, piano, drums, piccolo, and of course, the pipes. The band, led by Tom Page (Dave's brother), was one of Ireland's most popular dance bands. In the late 1930s, Dave gave up the pipes and took up the piano accordion. The pipes at the time were considered to be "old fashioned." During this time Dave and his wife Bridgie moved to London where they lived for twenty years, working and raising their four children. Dave became a well known figure in the Irish music scene in London. In the 1950s, the Pages were persuaded to move to Chicago where they lived and worked for another twenty years. In the late 1950s Dave got the chance to acquire another set of uillean pipes. He became well known as both a piper and a fine accordion player.
In 1974 the Pages vacationed in San Diego, liked it and decided to retire here. Dave soon grew tired of musical retirement, went looking for music, and ended up at our potluck party. He became an integral part of the San Diego traditional music culture and a cornerstone of the Irish music scene. The interest Dave generated in Irish music soon led to the formation of a San Diego incarnation of the Siamsa Gael Celidhe Band. It was Dave's support and encouragement that led a number of us "young Americans" (in particular Judy Lipnick, Ian Law, and me) to seriously pursue Irish music in all of its intricacies and subtleties. In the late 1970s, Dave decided to "retire" from piping and offered me his set of pipes and his tutelage. Dave died in 1987, after several years of ill health.
Simply put, Dave Page was one of the finest people I ever met. The impact he has had on me and on others cannot be overstated. The major component of good traditional music is integrity. When Dave played, his music became an extension of his personality and there was no lack of integrity in his personality. There was no nonsense or flash in his style, just solid, thoughful playing (this should not be confused with lack of humor).
When Dave played in informal situations amongst friends his music would take on the finest qualities of his personality, a lack of ego, a kindness, a fine sense of humor, and a deep understanding and love of his musical tradition.
I remember one of the last times I heard Dave play. We were at a party and it was late. Towards the end of the evening an accordion was handed to Dave and he was asked to play an air. Dave had been in ill health and had not touched the accordion in months. With shaky hands Dave took the accordion and, after several false starts, played one of the most beautiful renditions of the ancient air "The Coolin" that I had ever heard. The notes that he played were simple but I'd trade all my "advanced" technique to be able to play that tune the way he did.
It is now February 1989. Dave has been gone for almost two years now. Judy and I are sitting here knocking out a few of our favorite tunes. That long narrow, grey instrument case now sits by my side. We've just finished playing a medley of one of Dave's airs and two of his favorite reels. We are both silent for a few seconds and then Judy says, "Dave would have liked that."
John Tuohy learned his pipering from Dave Page and plays Dave's old set of pipes. He performs regularly in coffee houses, pubs and concert settings throughout San Diego County.
Jonathan Parker: After I spent some time with him in Fanore in 1986, Eugene Lambe came to San Diego and stayed at my house in early 1987, and I arranged for him to go with John and me for a visit with Dave. Here's an excerpt of the text of Eugene's article “A Piping Ramble in North America” in An Piobare, Vol. 2 No. 36 Page 4:
I went with John Tuohy (a young San Diego piper) to meet Dave Page. John has written a biographical sketch on Dave in the Northwest and San Francisco Pipers Review (1987). We found Dave in his 80s and in great spirits in a rest home in San Diego. Dave was born in Dolphins Barn, in Dublin on 17 April 1906. He got his first set of pipes from Leo Rowsome for the pncely sum of £25. These he later sold in order to buy a piano accordeon and the pipes are now in the possession of Dick Grant of Bray. Dave went to live in London in the late 30s where he remained with his wife Bridgie for 20 years. He then went to Chicago and after meeting some of the Irish immigrants came across a set of newly-made Kennedy pipes. With the help of the late Patrick Hennelly he got going on the pipes again but claimed that he never really “got back” properly. After a vacation in the sun of S. California Dave decided to settle there and had intended to retire from Irish music. That was not to be however and Dave fell in with an enthusiastic group of young players in the area and it seems he was a great influence there. John Tuohy now owns Dave's pipes and we played for a few hours that day. John played a fine version of 'Spailpin a Run’ which he learned from Dave. At the end of our visit Dave said "I’ll return to Ireland someday when I get another set of pipes. I’ll hit the road again and go off rambling". He finished with "Thanks lads. That's the best day I've had for years" Dave died on 8 April 1987, just about a week short of his 81st birthday.
Jonathan Parker, May 06, 2006: John Tuohy and I were recently contacted by Pat O'Connor of Chicago, who found the articles about Dave Page we posted at uilliannobsession.com. Through Pat, John has been in touch with Tom McMahon, who kindly identified the pipers in one of the images I sent each of you last month. John has a cassette 'letter' that Tom made and sent Dave back in the '70s, and as a consequence we have been playing some of Tom's settings of tunes here in San Diego for many years.
Tom was a friend, musical partner, and student of Dave Page's, and told John (among other things) that he and Dave went together for a visit with Dave's mentor Leo Rowsome in Dublin.
The pipers in the image are (L to R) Joe Shannon, Tommy McCarthy, Tom McMahon, Eamonn La Pointe, and Dave Page. Tom says the picture was taken at Dave's house, and also present were Kevin Henry, Pat Bronkin, and Barry O'Neill. This would be sometime around 1970.
Tommy McCarthy was also a student of Rowsome's, was one of the cofounders of the London Pipers' Club, and lived in London for nearly 40 years.. He and Bobby Casey were described as "inseparable." He retired to Milltown Malbay, and died in September 2000. He made an album called "Sporting Nell," and had three daughters; Jacqueline (concertina), Bernadette (fiddle/piano) and Marion (whistle/uilleann pipes). His son Tommy Jr. owns two pubs near Boston, The Burren and The Skellig.
Eamonn La Pointe hailed from Canada, according to Tom, but has since apparently relocated to Galway. He now goes by Eamonn Rynne. An image of him taken in 2002 playing a Quinn C set here
And finally, a recent photo of Dave's A. Kennedy of Cork set. This is the original chanter, although the popping valve was probably made by Patrick Hennelly:
Dave Page is an old time master uilleann piper now living in Southern California. He is helping to keep Irish traditional music alive and flourishing there by encouraging many young musicians.
He was born in 1906 of plain Irish folk living in Dublin. Life there was slower than now. Everyone was relatively poor but no one starved. Progress had not yet arrived in the form of electricity and most households cooked over a peat fire in the fireplace. People went to the neighborhood pub in the evening for a pint or two and a chat. The pubs were supposed to close early then and people would take a few bottles of ale home with them, bring out the instruments and begin the real socializing of the evening. Pub closing was always delayed however, if visitors were still coming in late or music was being played. " There was a lot of music around all the houses because no one had a radio." recalls Dave. Most every home had a piano and there were always lots of fiddles, but not many other instruments. He says that things were nice in Ireland. "Things were not too plentiful but we didn't notice. We were too busy playing music."
As a child, Dave was musically influenced by his Mother, who lilted the traditional tunes to him, and his older brother was a good fiddler. He started on a G banjo and also "fooled around with the whistle", but wasn't so fond of the sound. He recalls that there weren't many good whistle players around then.
Dave discovered the charms of the uilleann pipes in his teens. When he was about eighteen, his brother helped him persuade their father to buy this expensive instrument for him. In those days you couldn't go to a store to buy anything. You had to have it made or make it yourself. A full set of pipes, which cost about sixty dollars in those days, was ordered from Leo Rowsome. It wasn't the custom to get a half set of pipes then because it was very difficult to ever get delivery on the rest of the set.
In due time, a concert pitch set arrived and Dave began lessons with Leo Rowsome. Dave's father was disappointed that the pipes were not the old style, low pitch set. These could only be played with fiddles and low pitch flutes. Musical taste at that time demanded non-tunable, concert pitch concertinas, pianos and accordions in the bands, so uilleann pipes had to conform.
Dave was very anxious to play his pipes and practiced many hours a day and late into the night. He recalls how he rushed from work as a shoemaker to play before dinner and then commenced again after eating. He said that sometimes in the wee hours of the morning, he would think of a tune and rush downstairs just to play it. Since Dave knew many tunes from childhood, he needed only to practice technique. When asked how long it took him to be in command of his instrument, he said, "Well, you never have full command of it." He considered himself pretty good after five years of playing concerts with other musicians.
After studying with Leo Rowsome for about a year, Dave was invited to form a band with Leo, his brother Tom Rowsome and Addie Potts. This was in about 1926, and so began his long musical career.
At this time, his brother was playing in a band with eight other really good fiddlers and Dave says it was fantastic music. There were three sisters in the band, who also fiddled on the streets such as street musicians do today. Dave recalls, "We didn't like that much because street musicians were classed with tinkers," definitely not respectable.
The depression came in 1929, but it wasn't felt so badly in Ireland. Everyone was already so poor, they really didn't notice it. Dave married Bridie in 1933, and lived in Dublin, shoemaking and playing the pipes, till after World War II. After the war, they moved from Dublin to London to find more work. He continued working in leather, making handbags. He also played in dance bands but there wasn't so much call for an Irish piper. He learned to play the concertina and piano accordion. His wife, Bridie, a fine pianist, sometimes accompanied him.
Dave and Bridie came to the United States and settled in Chicago. He again found a job making handbags. The large Irish community there, welcomed traditional music. So Dave began playing music as usual. He eventually was persuaded to try the uilleann pipes again although his old Rowsome pipes had been sold years before. He hadn't played pipes for about ten years, but again became a fine piper.
In Chicago, Dave played with Tommy McCarity, Tommy Sheridan and the McMann Brothers, to name a few. He traveled to Ireland every few years to music festivals, where he was complimented, recorded and invited to parties. When he was living in Ireland, neighbors made him good reeds for the love of it and to keep him playing for them. In Chicago, Dave had no such luck. He had to make his own reeds and found it a real chore. He said he could never stand to play the pipes out of tune and would put them down if they refused to cooperate with him.
When Dave and Bridie moved to San Diego he thought he would never play the pipes again because there would be no interest in Irish music. However, word spread by friends and family reached the University of San Diego and out. Young people began coming to him to persuade him to play the old tunes for a tape recorder. Dave says he was surprised and very pleased over this interest and encouraged it. His door was always open to Irish music fans.
In Chicago, Dave was in a band called SEAMSA GAEL. This great name is now in use again by some of his friends in San Diego who are carrying on the Irish ceili tradition in fine fashion. Sometimes they persuade him to come to their gigs and play with them. Although he doesn't care for sitting on a stage and playing to an audience, he loves to play among and with a crowd. Dave's uilleann pipes are now played regularly by a fine young musician whom Dave taught to play.
Since being in San Diego, Dave has participated in many Irish music activities and has been surprised to learn that he has a large "underground" following. Although he has never recorded an album, he has heard tapes of himself playing in the most unlikely places all over the country. One time, he was in Tucson and met a man who played him the only Irish tune he knew on the fiddle. Dave asked him where he learned the beautiful tune. "From you." the man replied. Dave stated that was impossible as they had never met before. But the man said he had taped Dave off the radio years before. This makes him feel really good because he is contributing to the continuation of Irish music. Today, he says, the aural tradition is aided immensely by records and tapes. Dave is able to pass on tunes which he has forgotten over the years to people he never met. This modern miracle preserves more music, more accurately than the old way.
Dave can always recognize his own playing as well as everyone else's. This is one of the charms of the uilleann pipes. Each player develops his own style even though copying his teacher and other players. Dave thinks it would be pretty boring if everyone played identically or even tried to.
So David Page has become a legendary musician in his own time to thousands of Irish music lovers. He is a great musician, and a friendly, warm hearted man who always encourages every musician, no matter how skilled. To sum up his attitude towards the music, he has said; 'I wouldn't care who was playing Irish music, even if they only picked it up an hour ago. I'd still stand and listen, you know. I always like the live music."
Borrowed from Lark In The Morning interview with Dave Page
Many thanks to Jonathan Parker of San Diego for assembling all this content for me and also to John Tuohy of San Diego for allowing his article to be used.
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